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  • #77907
    Sarah Whiteley
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    Author:
    Sarah Whiteley

    Position:
    Infection Prevention Manager

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    Blue Cross Aged Care

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    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah

    Sarah Gaines Hill
    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
    P: +61 3 9828 1705 | M: +61 429 480 183
    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road, Hawthorn East, VIC 3123

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    #77908
    Anonymous
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    Hi Sarah,
    The IPC leads have to work within the aged care facility and be familiar with resident acuity and staff mix. I think it would be difficult for a non-clinical person who doesnt work directly with the care staff or residents to understand these.
    Regardless of work arrangements, IPC leads must be based on site at their nominated facility. This is to enable the IPC lead to provide advice and oversight as part of ongoing, day-to-day operations and on a localised basis according to facility circumstances (including the resident mix, staff mix, services offered and physical aspects of a facility).

    Kind regards,
    Kelly
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

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    Kelly Barton
    Infection Prevention & Control Officer
    RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
    Email: kelly.barton@alpinehealth.org.au
    Office: 03 5751 9364
    Mobile: 0409 885 002
    Fax: 03 5751 9396
    Address: 30 ODonnell Ave, Myrtleford VIC 3737
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah
    [BlueCross]

    Sarah

    Gaines Hill

    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator

    P: +61 3 9828 1705

    |

    M: +61 429 480 183

    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,

    Hawthorn East,

    VIC

    3123

    [BlueCross]

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    #77910
    Fleur Manno
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    Fleur Manno

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    Hi All,

    Im a proud IPC professional, but not a nurse. I am the IPC coordinator of a large regional hospital.
    Im a huge advocate for medical scientists in Infection Control positions.

    Kind regards,
    Fleur

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    Infection Prevention & Control Coordinator

    Medical Scientist (B. Lab Med)
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah
    [BlueCross]

    Sarah

    Gaines Hill

    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator

    P: +61 3 9828 1705

    |

    M: +61 429 480 183

    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,

    Hawthorn East,

    VIC

    3123

    [BlueCross]

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    #77916
    Fiona Wilson
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    Author:
    Fiona Wilson

    Position:
    Clinical Nurse Consultant

    Organisation:
    TIPCU

    State:

    Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
    See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.

    Regards

    Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
    Public Health Services I Department of Health
    3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
    Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
    Prevention is better than cure
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah
    [BlueCross]
    Sarah
    Gaines Hill
    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
    P: +61 3 9828 1705
    |
    M: +61 429 480 183
    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
    Hawthorn East,
    VIC
    3123
    [BlueCross]

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    #77917
    Sarah Whiteley
    Participant

    Author:
    Sarah Whiteley

    Position:
    Infection Prevention Manager

    Organisation:
    Blue Cross Aged Care

    State:

    Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
    There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
    Sarah

    Sarah Gaines Hill
    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
    P: +61 3 9828 1705 | M: +61 429 480 183
    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road, Hawthorn East, VIC 3123

    Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
    See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.

    Regards

    Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
    Public Health Services I Department of Health
    3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
    Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
    Prevention is better than cure
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah
    [BlueCross]
    Sarah
    Gaines Hill
    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
    P: +61 3 9828 1705
    |
    M: +61 429 480 183
    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
    Hawthorn East,
    VIC
    3123
    [BlueCross]

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    #77923
    Anonymous
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    Author:
    Anonymous

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    Organisation:

    State:

    Hi Sarah,
    there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
    Kind regards,
    Kelly
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

    [cid:image001.png@01D3593E.B14EC410]

    Kelly Barton
    Infection Prevention & Control Officer
    RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
    Email: kelly.barton@alpinehealth.org.au
    Office: 03 5751 9364
    Mobile: 0409 885 002
    Fax: 03 5751 9396
    Address: 30 ODonnell Ave, Myrtleford VIC 3737
    Website: http://www.alpinehealth.org.au
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:49 AM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
    There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
    Sarah

    [BlueCross]

    Sarah

    Gaines Hill

    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator

    P: +61 3 9828 1705

    |

    M: +61 429 480 183

    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,

    Hawthorn East,

    VIC

    3123

    [BlueCross]

    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Wilson, Fiona L (TIPCU)
    Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
    See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.

    Regards

    Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
    Public Health Services I Department of Health
    3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
    Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
    Prevention is better than cure
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah
    [BlueCross]

    Sarah

    Gaines Hill

    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator

    P: +61 3 9828 1705

    |

    M: +61 429 480 183

    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,

    Hawthorn East,

    VIC

    3123

    [BlueCross]

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    #77933
    mgoodson mgoodson
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    Dear All,
    I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an
    IPC role with interest.
    If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC
    person, let’s have
    an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
    After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run
    pathology departments.
    The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many
    pathology staff
    complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse
    button and just
    waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can
    take over the role
    of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation,
    know well how to
    set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of
    a Podiatrist being an
    excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent
    Podiatrist.
    The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health
    professional roles.

    I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive
    care, then went and studied
    my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as
    both an RN and
    Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable
    appointee as an
    IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity
    understanding,
    family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx,
    current treatment and
    changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to
    be opened up to
    other health professionals because it cuts out other health care
    professionals’ career options
    is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health
    Care preparation and
    skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role
    requirement to open it up
    to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of
    action.
    The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for
    non-RN’s
    to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the
    Medical Insurance companies,
    the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN
    members of the ACIPC,
    and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few
    things to say about that idea.
    I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists
    taking the ICP lead roles
    in Australa health care facilities.

    Margaret Goodson
    RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
    Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
    CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
    IPC Coordinator
    Manly Waters Private Hospital
    Manly, Sydney, NSW.

    —— Original Message ——

    Hi Sarah,
    there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however
    my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to
    listen or change their stance on this matter.

    Kind regards,
    Kelly
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and
    live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect
    to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

    Kelly Barton
    Infection Prevention & Control Officer
    RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care).
    Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A

    Website:www.alpinehealth.org.au
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    Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:49 AM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are
    few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP
    work is a huge struggle.
    There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow
    non-nursing to perform the role as well.
    Sarah

    BlueCross

    Sarah
    GainesHill
    InfectionControlNurseCoordinator
    P:+61398281705
    |
    M:+61429480183
    Level1,117CamberwellRoad,
    HawthornEast,
    VIC
    3123
    BlueCross

    > On Behalf Of Wilson, Fiona L (TIPCU)
    Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC
    leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
    See
    https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads

    for the specific requirements.

    Regards

    Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
    Public Health Services I Department of Health

    3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
    Phone(03) 6166 0601|Mobile 0439 014 634 |Fax(03) 6173 0821
    Prevention is better than cure
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and
    live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay
    respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

    > On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the
    requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You
    do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who
    had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our
    RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice
    to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an
    ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah

    BlueCross
    Sarah
    GainesHill
    InfectionControlNurseCoordinator
    P:+61398281705
    |
    M:+61429480183
    Level1,117CamberwellRoad,
    HawthornEast,
    VIC
    3123
    BlueCross

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    #77936
    Vicki Denyer (Northern NSW LHD)
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    Vicki Denyer (Northern NSW LHD)

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    Well said Margaret, I total agree.

    Vicki

    Vicki Denyer
    Infection Prevention and Control
    Clinical Nurse Consultant
    Lismore Base Hospital
    Phone : 66202385
    Fax: 66202611
    Mobile: 0428215562
    Email: vicki.denyer@health.nsw.gov.au
    [cid:image001.png@01D6E75F.C4601970]

    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of mgoodson mgoodson
    Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2021 5:06 PM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Dear All,
    I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an IPC role with interest.
    If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC person, let’s have
    an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
    After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run pathology departments.
    The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many pathology staff
    complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse button and just
    waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can take over the role
    of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation, know well how to
    set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of a Podiatrist being an
    excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent Podiatrist.
    The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health professional roles.

    I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive care, then went and studied
    my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as both an RN and
    Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable appointee as an
    IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity understanding,
    family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx, current treatment and
    changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to be opened up to
    other health professionals because it cuts out other health care professionals’ career options
    is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health Care preparation and
    skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role requirement to open it up
    to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of action.
    The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for non-RN’s
    to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the Medical Insurance companies,
    the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN members of the ACIPC,
    and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few things to say about that idea.
    I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists taking the ICP lead roles
    in Australa health care facilities.

    Margaret Goodson
    RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
    Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
    CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
    IPC Coordinator
    Manly Waters Private Hospital
    Manly, Sydney, NSW.
    EM: mgoodson@bigpond.com

    —— Original Message ——
    From: “Kelly Barton” <Kelly.Barton@ALPINEHEALTH.ORG.AU>
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Sent: Friday, 16 Apr, 2021 At 3:50 PM
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
    Hi Sarah,
    there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
    Kind regards,
    Kelly
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

    [blocked]

    Kelly Barton
    Infection Prevention & Control Officer
    RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
    Email: kelly.barton@alpinehealth.org.au
    Office: 03 5751 9364
    Mobile: 0409 885 002
    Fax: 03 5751 9396
    Address: 30 ODonnell Ave, Myrtleford VIC 3737
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:49 AM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
    There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
    Sarah

    [BlueCross]

    Sarah

    Gaines Hill

    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator

    P: +61 3 9828 1705

    |

    M: +61 429 480 183

    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,

    Hawthorn East,

    VIC

    3123

    [BlueCross]

    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Wilson, Fiona L (TIPCU)
    Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
    See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.

    Regards

    Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
    Public Health Services I Department of Health
    3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
    Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
    Prevention is better than cure
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah
    [BlueCross]

    Sarah

    Gaines Hill

    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator

    P: +61 3 9828 1705

    |

    M: +61 429 480 183

    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,

    Hawthorn East,

    VIC

    3123

    [BlueCross]

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    #77938
    Anonymous
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    Hi Margaret,
    Great response and very reflective of the complexity of the role.
    Warm Regards
    Kristin

    Kristin Ryan-Agnew
    Kristin Ryan-Agnew (MPH/Grad Cert IP&C)
    Infection Prevention & Control Clinical Nurse Consultant
    The Tweed Hospital
    Ph: 0755067406
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of mgoodson mgoodson
    Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2021 5:06 PM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Dear All,
    I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an IPC role with interest.
    If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC person, let’s have
    an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
    After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run pathology departments.
    The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many pathology staff
    complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse button and just
    waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can take over the role
    of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation, know well how to
    set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of a Podiatrist being an
    excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent Podiatrist.
    The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health professional roles.

    I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive care, then went and studied
    my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as both an RN and
    Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable appointee as an
    IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity understanding,
    family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx, current treatment and
    changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to be opened up to
    other health professionals because it cuts out other health care professionals’ career options
    is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health Care preparation and
    skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role requirement to open it up
    to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of action.
    The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for non-RN’s
    to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the Medical Insurance companies,
    the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN members of the ACIPC,
    and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few things to say about that idea.
    I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists taking the ICP lead roles
    in Australa health care facilities.

    Margaret Goodson
    RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
    Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
    CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
    IPC Coordinator
    Manly Waters Private Hospital
    Manly, Sydney, NSW.
    EM: mgoodson@bigpond.com

    —— Original Message ——
    From: “Kelly Barton”
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Sent: Friday, 16 Apr, 2021 At 3:50 PM
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
    Hi Sarah,
    there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
    Kind regards,
    Kelly
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:49 AM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
    There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
    Sarah

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Wilson, Fiona L (TIPCU)
    Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
    See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.

    Regards

    Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
    Public Health Services I Department of Health
    3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
    Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
    Prevention is better than cure
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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion <ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU> On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
    To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements

    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah
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    Gaines Hill

    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator

    P: +61 3 9828 1705

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    M: +61 429 480 183

    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,

    Hawthorn East,

    VIC

    3123

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    Morning all,

    Missing from the conversation is the multiplicity of the IPC Clinical Lead in RACF.
    Whist it is true, there are many Allied Health Professionals who ma be suited for the IPC role; however, are they suited for aged care?
    As the appointed lead for our 176 bed facility; I wear 3 hats. Divisive of my time is education, mentoring, assessing, auditing and surveillance. My paid role is NP candidate (Palliative Care/ Gerontology)- Clinical Nurse Specialist. In this role I have accountability for AMS, leading and coordinating a team of 12 IPC champions across all departments, report writing and work with ACT Health in the portfolio one day week coordinating all 30 facilities (2432 residents) maintaining COVID free environments within all aged care facilities.
    My day job along with managing clinical events; allows me to implement cultural change; seeing things through an IPC lens. At the bedside, in the tea room, walking down corridors, discussing issues at consumer forums, visiting kitchen services, loitering with intent with the house hold staff, folding sheets in the laundry, educating GPs on PPE, orientating new staff, mock trials of OMP. All are done within the scope of my role.
    Its NOT separate, IPC is inclusive. We need to move from a silo mentality suggesting that IPC in an acute care setting is the same as aged care! We have shared bathrooms, 8 to a room, some facilities have 15 residents share a bank of bathrooms. We need to let go of a one size fits all approach and remove the wood to see the trees.
    The knee jerk reaction of the Commonwealth to appoint an IPC clinical lead as an RN; is a strategic and pivotal step in seeing aged care as primary and important. A move to authenticate and appreciate our older Australians are deserving of excellence in quality and safe care; not just in an acute hospital.
    Aged Cares alignment with National Quality Indicators and the Commonwealths commitment; ensures issues in the Royal Commission are on the way to being addressed.
    IPC is not separate, it is a lens. The more we understand the cultural change; the less burdensome for facilities.
    I can only do my comprehensive role with the backing of a committed IPC team. When we stop, regroup, see things from a different angle; reset and ask for guidance and assistance; IPC becomes embedded through the very fabric of all things aged care.
    In closing. Its not about who can do the role. Its about the RNs capabilities to work collaboratively across all domains. In roles in management, youre doing it already! If youre an educator, youre doing it already, if youre a senior clinician, youre doing it already. Aged care has been and continues to report on AMS, infection rates and worked closely with jurisdictional CDCs in outbreak management LONG BEFORE COVID and will continue to work within the pandemic crisis!
    Lessons have been learnt!
    rom all accounts both Commonwealth and State in the crisis in aged care in NSW and Victoria; experts were needed; yet it was the aged care workforce comprised of committed individuals who live what they do; that put an end to the crisis. Appointment of that clinical lead (RN) ensures that cultural change on a daily basis of correction, discussion, research, data, asking questions, surveillance and education; all within the process of the multiple hats we wear. IPC is not separate, its inclusiveness. Its cultural change and rethinking the way we do things every day. Its not added to its part of what youre doing already. Stop! Think! Do!
    Brain storm together. It takes an organisation not just one person.

    Nigel McGothigan
    Clinical Nurse Specialist
    IPC Clinical Lead
    St Andrews Village
    Hughes, ACT

    Sent from my iPhone

    > On 21 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nigel McGothigan wrote:
    >
    > Morning all,
    >
    > Missing from the conversation is the multiplicity of the IPC Clinical Lead in RACF.
    > Whist it is true, there are many Allied Health Professionals who ma be suited for the IPC role; however, are they suited for aged care?
    > As the appointed lead for our 176 bed facility; I wear 3 hats. Divisive of my time is education, mentoring, assessing, auditing and surveillance. My paid role is NP candidate (Palliative Care/ Gerontology)- Clinical Nurse Specialist. In this role I have accountability for AMS, leading and coordinating a team of 12 IPC champions across all departments, report writing and work with ACT Health in the portfolio one day week coordinating all 30 facilities (2432 residents) maintaining COVID free environments within all aged care facilities.
    > My day job along with managing clinical events; allows me to implement cultural change; seeing things through an IPC lens. At the bedside, in the tea room, walking down corridors, discussing issues at consumer forums, visiting kitchen services, loitering with intent with the house hold staff, folding sheets in the laundry, educating GPs on PPE, orientating new staff, mock trials of OMP. All are done within the scope of my role.
    > Its NOT separate, IPC is inclusive. We need to move from a silo mentality suggesting that IPC in an acute care setting is the same as aged care! We have shared bathrooms, 8 to a room, some facilities have 15 residents share a bank of bathrooms. We need to let go of a one size fits all approach and remove the wood to see the trees.
    > The knee jerk reaction of the Commonwealth to appoint an IPC clinical lead as an RN; is a strategic and pivotal step in seeing aged care as primary and important. A move to authenticate and appreciate our older Australians are deserving of excellence in quality and safe care; not just in an acute hospital.
    > Aged Cares alignment with National Quality Indicators and the Commonwealths commitment; ensures issues in the Royal Commission are on the way to being addressed.
    > IPC is not separate, it is a lens. The more we understand the cultural change; the less burdensome for facilities.
    > I can only do my comprehensive role with the backing of a committed IPC team. When we stop, regroup, see things from a different angle; reset and ask for guidance and assistance; IPC becomes embedded through the very fabric of all things aged care.
    > In closing. Its not about who can do the role. Its about the RNs capabilities to work collaboratively across all domains. In roles in management, youre doing it already! If youre an educator, youre doing it already, if youre a senior clinician, youre doing it already. Aged care has been and continues to report on AMS, infection rates and worked closely with jurisdictional CDCs in outbreak management LONG BEFORE COVID and will continue to work within the pandemic crisis!
    > Lessons have been learnt!
    > rom all accounts both Commonwealth and State in the crisis in aged care in NSW and Victoria; experts were needed; yet it was the aged care workforce comprised of committed individuals who live what they do; that put an end to the crisis. Appointment of that clinical lead (RN) ensures that cultural change on a daily basis of correction, discussion, research, data, asking questions, surveillance and education; all within the process of the multiple hats we wear. IPC is not separate, its inclusiveness. Its cultural change and rethinking the way we do things every day. Its not added to its part of what youre doing already. Stop! Think! Do!
    > Brain storm together. It takes an organisation not just one person.
    >
    > Nige
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    >> On 20 Apr 2021, at 17:05, mgoodson mgoodson wrote:
    >>
    >> Dear All,
    >> I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an IPC role with interest.
    >> If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC person, let’s have
    >> an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
    >> After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run pathology departments.
    >> The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many pathology staff
    >> complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse button and just
    >> waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can take over the role
    >> of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation, know well how to
    >> set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of a Podiatrist being an
    >> excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent Podiatrist.
    >> The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health professional roles.
    >>
    >> I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive care, then went and studied
    >> my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as both an RN and
    >> Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable appointee as an
    >> IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity understanding,
    >> family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx, current treatment and
    >> changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to be opened up to
    >> other health professionals because it cuts out other health care professionals’ career options
    >> is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health Care preparation and
    >> skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role requirement to open it up
    >> to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of action.
    >> The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for non-RN’s
    >> to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the Medical Insurance companies,
    >> the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN members of the ACIPC,
    >> and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few things to say about that idea.
    >> I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists taking the ICP lead roles
    >> in Australa health care facilities.
    >>
    >> Margaret Goodson
    >> RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
    >> Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
    >> CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
    >> IPC Coordinator
    >> Manly Waters Private Hospital
    >> Manly, Sydney, NSW.
    >> EM: mgoodson@bigpond.com
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> —— Original Message ——
    >> From: “Kelly Barton”
    >> To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    >> Sent: Friday, 16 Apr, 2021 At 3:50 PM
    >> Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
    >>
    >> Hi Sarah,
    >>
    >> there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
    >>
    >> Kind regards,
    >>
    >> Kelly
    >>
    >> I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Kelly Barton
    >>
    >> Infection Prevention & Control Officer
    >>
    >> RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
    >>
    >> Email: kelly.barton@alpinehealth.org.au
    >>
    >> Office: 03 5751 9364
    >>
    >> Mobile: 0409 885 002
    >>
    >> Fax: 03 5751 9396
    >>
    >> Address: 30 ODonnell Ave, Myrtleford VIC 3737
    >>
    >> Website: http://www.alpinehealth.org.au
    >>
    >> P Reduce, re-use, recycle. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    >> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:49 AM
    >> To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    >> Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
    >>
    >> There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
    >>
    >> Sarah
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Sarah
    >>
    >> Gaines Hill
    >>
    >> Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
    >>
    >> P: +61 3 9828 1705
    >>
    >> |
    >>
    >> M: +61 429 480 183
    >>
    >> Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
    >>
    >> Hawthorn East,
    >>
    >> VIC
    >>
    >> 3123
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Wilson, Fiona L (TIPCU)
    >> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 9:44 AM
    >> To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    >> Subject: Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
    >>
    >> See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Regards
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
    >> Public Health Services I Department of Health
    >>
    >> 3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
    >>
    >> Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
    >> Prevention is better than cure
    >> I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.
    >>
    >>
    >> From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Sarah Gaines Hill
    >> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 1:13 PM
    >> To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    >> Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] IPC lead role requirements
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    >>
    >> A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    >>
    >> It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    >>
    >> We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    >>
    >> Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    >>
    >> Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> Sarah
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Sarah
    >>
    >> Gaines Hill
    >>
    >> Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
    >>
    >> P: +61 3 9828 1705
    >>
    >> |
    >>
    >> M: +61 429 480 183
    >>
    >> Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
    >>
    >> Hawthorn East,
    >>
    >> VIC
    >>
    >> 3123
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
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    #77949
    Sarah Whiteley
    Participant

    Author:
    Sarah Whiteley

    Position:
    Infection Prevention Manager

    Organisation:
    Blue Cross Aged Care

    State:

    Hi Margaret
    I see this created quite a buzz. I proposed the change for very valid reasons I have worked with many IP practitioners who are not RNs and have overseen programs which go through extremely rigorous re-accreditation processes with great success.
    I agree that nursing unions and nurses in general would not support this but that is not a rationale to stop change. In my experience, medical insurance companies interest lies in the ability of a health care organization to reduce infections and providing that is achieved they will be satisfied bottom line with them is the bottom dollar As for all the other groups you provided they are nurses and as stated above, many nurses may not support this but there are those of us who will.
    Your very arguments are the same used by physicians against nurses who wanted to move into advanced practice roles many years ago where would we be if we allowed that to hold?
    I have been in health care for over 30 years and have worked in the US where IPCs do come from different healthcare backgrounds and provide a very unique and diverse perspective to our profession. Therefore, to your point, I am not proposing an untested concept but am basing in real life experience of a tried and tested change.
    Like you, I am an RN with an MSN, certified in infection control (CIC), published, and have worked on HAI reduction projects with the IHI (Institute for Healthcare Improvement) one of which was presented at the national IHI conference in the US in 2013.
    I have mentored many including a statistician who went on to complete a masters degree in epidemiology and is now the director of an acute care hospital program in Los Angeles. If we went by your rationale, she would not be qualified simply because she is not a nurse.
    None of us who took on this role are experts in all aspects of the role my background is neonatal intensive care. I have never assisted with endoscopy procedures as an example and had to learn all aspects of scope cleaning as part of my role when I was director of an acute care hospital where such procedures took place. Construction is another area nurses are not qualified but we all learn so that we can apply IP strategies to new builds, renovations, or maintenance work that is taking place within our facilities. These are just a couple examples where the one size does not fit all can also be applied to nurses.
    I hope that those of our colleagues who are not nurses can appreciate that they are very welcome in the domain of IP work.

    Sincerely

    Sarah

    Sarah Gaines Hill
    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
    P: +61 3 9828 1705 | M: +61 429 480 183
    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road, Hawthorn East, VIC 3123

    Dear All,
    I’m reading the development of the conversation about who could take an IPC role with interest.
    If other health professionals can take over the role of the RN IPC person, let’s have
    an RN running the Haematology department or the Microbiology department.
    After all, if skill mix is so transferable, why not allow RN’s to run pathology departments.
    The departments are all automated these days and I’ve heard many pathology staff
    complain it’s so boring pushing a calibration button or an analyse button and just
    waiting for the results to print off. And while we’re at it, RN’s can take over the role
    of podiatrists too. RN’s study anatomy, do a basic surgery rotation, know well how to
    set up and use small instrument trays, so couldn’t someones’ example of a Podiatrist being an
    excellent IPC appointee be argued toward an RN being an excellent Podiatrist.
    The answer is no, the skills are not transferable across health professional roles.

    I know the difference. I trained as an RN, specialised in Intensive care, then went and studied
    my Clinical Laboratory Science degree in the medical sciences and as both an RN and
    Laboratory Scientist, I can say a laboratory scientist is not a suitable appointee as an
    IPC person in a hospial with a role across patient care planning, acuity understanding,
    family interaction, advising on antibiotic stewardship wrt past Hx, current treatment and
    changes of care. The statement already given that IPC positions need to be opened up to
    other health professionals because it cuts out other health care professionals’ career options
    is superficial and invalid when considering the different Allied Health Care preparation and
    skill mix. Wanting to fill a vacant position by changing the role requirement to open it up
    to other allied health persons is not a professional nor safe course of action.
    The conversation promoting the ACIPC to ‘get behind’ the push for non-RN’s
    to be appointed to ICP roles is a huge red flag and I’d think the Medical Insurance companies,
    the ANF, the State nursing unions, all AHPRA registered nurses, RN members of the ACIPC,
    and Nurse Advisors to the Ministers in all States would have a few things to say about that idea.
    I don’t support Allied Health professionals and Laboratory Scientists taking the ICP lead roles
    in Australa health care facilities.

    Margaret Goodson
    RN(AHPRA), BAppSc(ClinLabSc),MEd,PhD(Ed),GCDRMed(UTS),
    Intensive Care Cert(NSWCN), Stomal Therapy Cert (SydH),
    CertIVTAE & LLN, MACIPC.
    IPC Coordinator
    Manly Waters Private Hospital
    Manly, Sydney, NSW.

    —— Original Message ——
    Hi Sarah,
    there are many issues in regards to the IPC lead role mandates, however my experience has been that the federal government is not willing to listen or change their stance on this matter.
    Kind regards,
    Kelly
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    Kelly Barton
    Infection Prevention & Control Officer
    RN BHSc (Nursing). Grad Cert (Infection Control)(Advanced Acute Care). Nurse Immuniser. Cert IV T&A
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    Thanks Fiona I am aware of this. The issue is nurses in aged care are few and far between and therefore recruiting and using their time for IP work is a huge struggle.
    There needs to be a change in IP requirements in general to allow non-nursing to perform the role as well.
    Sarah

    [BlueCross]
    Sarah
    Gaines Hill
    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
    P: +61 3 9828 1705
    |
    M: +61 429 480 183
    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
    Hawthorn East,
    VIC
    3123
    [BlueCross]

    Hello Sarah the site on the Australian Government website around IPC leads in RACF does state that the IPC lead must be a nurse.
    See https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/infection-prevention-and-control-leads for the specific requirements.

    Regards

    Fiona Wilson I Nurse Manager TIPCU
    Public Health Services I Department of Health
    3/25Argyle St Hobart, GPO Box 125 Hobart 7001
    Phone (03) 6166 0601| Mobile 0439 014 634 | Fax (03) 6173 0821
    Prevention is better than cure
    I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we work and live, and respect their ongoing custodianship of the land. I pay respect to Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and Elders past and present.

    Good Afternoon fellow Ips!
    A few weeks ago there was some discussion in this forum about the requirements for IPC leads at Aged Care facilities had to be RN/EN.
    It was mentioned that there would be recommendations to change this. You do not need to be an RN/EN to be a great IP. I have worked with many who had a science degree but not licensed practitioners who were fantastic.
    We are really struggling to fill positions that have been left as our RN/EN pool is very small.
    Does anyone remember the discussion or have a response?
    Is this something this college would be willing to get behind as a voice to help aged care facilities with this. I believe this will be an ongoing struggle if we are tied in this way.

    Thanks
    Sarah
    [BlueCross]
    Sarah
    Gaines Hill
    Infection Control Nurse Coordinator
    P: +61 3 9828 1705
    |
    M: +61 429 480 183
    Level 1, 117 Camberwell Road,
    Hawthorn East,
    VIC
    3123
    [BlueCross]

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