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    Jayne OConnor
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    Hi Brains Trust,

    Have you noticed staff wearing double surgical masks? I have noticed this practice recently and just looking for evidence to refer to when discussing with staff that think it is a good idea?.

    Many Thanks in advance

    Jayne

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    kareen.stuart@yahoo.com.au
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    Hi Jayne
    They may be taking it from CDC and getting confused with wearing a cloth mask under a disposable mask. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/effective-masks.html
    Kind regards
    Kareen Dunlop
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    > On 10 Feb 2022, at 09:46, Jayne OConnor wrote:
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    > Hi Brains Trust,
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    > Have you noticed staff wearing double surgical masks? I have noticed this practice recently and just looking for evidence to refer to when discussing with staff that think it is a good idea?.
    >
    > Many Thanks in advance
    >
    > Jayne
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    #79282
    Michael Wishart
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    Hi Jayne

    Are 2 Masks Better Than 1 at Preventing COVID-19 Spread? (healthline.com)

    This is taken from the popular press, so take it as you will, but this part makes physiological and mechanical sense to me:
    Binghamton University mechanical engineering assistant professor Scott Schiffres, PhD, who’s been working on testing masks since the COVID-19 pandemic began, said that increasing protection isn’t just about adding more layers of filtration.
    If the masks are worn in a way that compromises the fit of the masks on the face, this may allow unfiltered air to leak through gaps.
    For example, wearing two surgical masks won’t be better than one, Schiffres said.
    “It is not the ability of the filter that limits performance,” he said, “but the fit to the face (how much air leaks at the face seal).”
    “The surgical mask material itself is very good (>95 percent at 0.1 um), but in practice about 20 percent of the air will slip between the mask and the seal of the mask, so the efficiency would effectively be about 80 percent,” Schiffres said.
    “If you were to just put two surgical masks one on top of another, more of the air would actually leak around the seal as the resistance through the masks increases, and even less air would be filtered, making this double masking detrimental,” he said.
    “The most important thing,” Schiffres said, “is not to have a false sense of confidence in the filtration of the mask, as it can only be as good as the fit to your face allows.”
    As Kareen has pointed out, CDC does recommend double masking with cloth masks, as filtration is definitely increased, especially if you have two 2-layer masks (many cloth masks commercially sold in the US are 2 layer rather than 3).

    Cheers
    Michael

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    Hi Brains Trust,

    Have you noticed staff wearing double surgical masks? I have noticed this practice recently and just looking for evidence to refer to when discussing with staff that think it is a good idea?.

    Many Thanks in advance

    Jayne

    Jayne O’Connor RN ,BSc.,Inf.Cont
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    #79283
    Jayne OConnor
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    Thanks Kareen your response,

    I agree, just adds to poor compliance headache!!!

    Thanks
    Jayne

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    Sydney Adventist Hospital | 185 Fox Valley Road, Wahroonga, NSW 2076

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    From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion [mailto:ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU] On Behalf Of Kareen Dunlop
    Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 1:36 PM
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    Subject: [EXT] Re: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Double masking

    Hi Jayne
    They may be taking it from CDC and getting confused with wearing a cloth mask under a disposable mask. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/effective-masks.html
    Kind regards
    Kareen Dunlop
    Consultant Nurse Educator

    Sent from my iPhone

    On 10 Feb 2022, at 09:46, Jayne OConnor wrote:

    Hi Brains Trust,

    Have you noticed staff wearing double surgical masks? I have noticed this practice recently and just looking for evidence to refer to when discussing with staff that think it is a good idea?.

    Many Thanks in advance

    Jayne

    Jayne O’Connor RN ,BSc.,Inf.Cont
    IPC Co-Ordinator
    Sydney Adventist Hospital | 185 Fox Valley Road, Wahroonga, NSW 2076

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    #79284
    Lalith Ramachandra
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    Gday

    Do we know where that efficiency of 95% for 0.1micron particles came from?

    My understanding was that the 3-layered material was only good for particles >5microns in size.

    It may be that different tests have given different results.

    Thank you

    Regards

    Sent from LR Consulting Engineers

    > On 10 Feb 2022, at 12:14 pm, Michael Wishart wrote:
    >
    >
    > Hi Jayne
    >
    > Are 2 Masks Better Than 1 at Preventing COVID-19 Spread? (healthline.com)
    >
    > This is taken from the popular press, so take it as you will, but this part makes physiological and mechanical sense to me:
    > Binghamton University mechanical engineering assistant professor Scott Schiffres, PhD, whos been working on testing masks since the COVID-19 pandemic began, said that increasing protection isnt just about adding more layers of filtration.
    >
    > If the masks are worn in a way that compromises the fit of the masks on the face, this may allow unfiltered air to leak through gaps.
    >
    > For example, wearing two surgical masks wont be better than one, Schiffres said.
    >
    > It is not the ability of the filter that limits performance, he said, but the fit to the face (how much air leaks at the face seal).
    >
    > The surgical mask material itself is very good (>95 percent at 0.1 um), but in practice about 20 percent of the air will slip between the mask and the seal of the mask, so the efficiency would effectively be about 80 percent, Schiffres said.
    >
    > If you were to just put two surgical masks one on top of another, more of the air would actually leak around the seal as the resistance through the masks increases, and even less air would be filtered, making this double masking detrimental, he said.
    >
    > The most important thing, Schiffres said, is not to have a false sense of confidence in the filtration of the mask, as it can only be as good as the fit to your face allows.
    >
    > As Kareen has pointed out, CDC does recommend double masking with cloth masks, as filtration is definitely increased, especially if you have two 2-layer masks (many cloth masks commercially sold in the US are 2 layer rather than 3).
    >
    > Cheers
    > Michael
    >
    > Michael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
    >
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    > From: ACIPC Infexion Connexion On Behalf Of Jayne OConnor
    > Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 11:05 AM
    > To: ACIPCLIST@ACIPC.ORG.AU
    > Subject: [ACIPC_Infexion_Connexion] Double masking
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    > Hi Brains Trust,
    >
    > Have you noticed staff wearing double surgical masks? I have noticed this practice recently and just looking for evidence to refer to when discussing with staff that think it is a good idea?.
    >
    > Many Thanks in advance
    >
    > Jayne
    >
    > Jayne O’Connor RN ,BSc.,Inf.Cont
    > IPC Co-Ordinator
    > Sydney Adventist Hospital | 185 Fox Valley Road, Wahroonga, NSW 2076
    >
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