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  • #78479
    Michael Wishart
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    I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any ‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.

    Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?

    Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.

    Help?

    Thanks
    Michael

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    #78483
    Anonymous
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    Hi Michael,
    AS4187 has very little to say on storage that is fixed other than temperature and humidity and to have the storage designated.

    It appears all context (hence risk) assessed.
    Perhaps the auditor can give you an explanation of the risk they are trying to remove.

    kind regards
    Glenda Farmer
    Infection Control Director
    Smartdentist Pty Ltd

    > On 22 Sep 2021, at 12:58 pm, Michael Wishart wrote:
    >
    > Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.
    >
    > Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
    >
    > Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.
    >
    > Help?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Michael
    >
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    #78485
    Glenys Harrington
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    Can you tells us a bit more?

    What area was the storage room/area in?

    What was the sterile and non-sterile stock?

    Regards

    Glenys

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    Wishart

    I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any
    ‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no
    sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no
    ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something
    non-sterile.

    Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific
    storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised
    single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that
    have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume
    disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile
    stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not
    cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?

    Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I
    did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of
    these.

    Help?

    Thanks

    Michael

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    #78489
    Franciska Ferreira
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    Franciska Ferreira

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    Hi Michael,

    We have just had our organisational wide survey in August and the questions raised was in regards to type of shelving, cleaning schedules if not wire shelves and temperature & humidity control. Not aware of any other requirements in AS4187 other than temperature/humidity control in designated storage area and evidence of cleaning schedule if stock is stored in containers.

    What would the risk be?

    Kind Regards

    Franciska Ferreira | Infection Prevention & Control/Wound Management Coordinator
    Burnside War Memorial Hospital Inc | Days out of Office: Thursdays

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    I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any ‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.

    Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?

    Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.

    Help?

    Thanks
    Michael

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    #78487
    Michael Wishart
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    Michael Wishart

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    Hi Glenys

    It was a ward store room, and the items commented on where things like disposable sterile urinary catheters on the same shelf as unsterile gauze packs.

    Cheers
    Michael

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    Can you tells us a bit more?

    What area was the storage room/area in?

    What was the sterile and non-sterile stock?

    Regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington
    Consultant
    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)
    P.O. Box 6385
    Melbourne
    Australia, 3004
    M: +61 404816434
    E: infexion@ozemail.com.au
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    I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any ‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.

    Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?

    Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.

    Help?

    Thanks
    Michael

    Michael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E

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    #78495
    Sally Holmes
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    Sally Holmes

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    Michael,
    See the Advisory above re segregation of sterile & non sterile stock from the CEC. You have until DEC 2 to comply fully after risk assessment & review .
    Good luck
    Sally

    [cid:image002.jpg@01D7AFC3.D2D72E80]Sally Holmes
    Quality Manager and Infection Control & Prevention Coordinator
    Lakeview Private Hospital|17-19 Solent Circuit Norwest NSW 2153
    http://www.lakeviewprivate.com.au

    Can you tells us a bit more?

    What area was the storage room/area in?

    What was the sterile and non-sterile stock?

    Regards

    Glenys

    Glenys Harrington
    Consultant
    Infection Control Consultancy (ICC)
    P.O. Box 6385
    Melbourne
    Australia, 3004
    M: +61 404816434
    E: infexion@ozemail.com.au
    [Description: ICC Diagram ICCversion]

    I’ve just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any ‘sterile stock’ on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.

    Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?

    Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.

    Help?

    Thanks
    Michael

    Michael Wishart | Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E

    St Vincent’s Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
    M +61 448 954 282 | T +61 7 3326 3068 | F +61 7 3607 2226
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    #78493
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    Hi Michael
    No you are not missing anything! That is a clear misinterpretation of the
    standards & one I have encountered recently with auditors myself.
    Auditors should be familiar with the requirements as well as the intent of
    the standard not confuse personal interpretation with fact. This sort of
    response is infuriating & imposing unrealistic expectations & confusion on
    a lot of facilities. We all need to make sure when asked to comment on the
    next draft of AS/NZS 4187; for sterile stock storage, we insist on specific
    criteria for commercially processed stock which is clearly different to
    locally processed RMDs.

    Suzanne Finch
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    Nurse Consultant
    finchsuzanne58@gmail.com
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    On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:34, SmartDentist
    wrote:

    > Hi Michael,
    > AS4187 has very little to say on storage that is fixed other than
    > temperature and humidity and to have the storage designated.
    >
    > It appears all context (hence risk) assessed.
    > Perhaps the auditor can give you an explanation of the risk they are
    > trying to remove.
    >
    >
    > kind regards
    > Glenda Farmer
    > Infection Control Director
    > Smartdentist Pty Ltd
    >
    > On 22 Sep 2021, at 12:58 pm, Michael Wishart
    > wrote:
    >
    > Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any
    > sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that
    > no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say,
    > no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with
    > something non-sterile.
    >
    > Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific
    > storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised
    > single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that
    > have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume
    > disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile
    > stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not
    > cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
    >
    > Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that
    > I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of
    > these.
    >
    > Help?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Michael
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    #78503
    Robyn Lawson
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    Hi Michael

    The auditor is correct in that sterile storage for commercial sterile items has always been covered by ASNZS 4187 in the past but it seems to have got lost in the new 2014 edition .
    ASNZS 4187 2003 Section 9.1.1 Sterile items states Sterile items shall be stored and handled in a manner that maintains the integrity of packs and prevents contamination from any source. This requirement applies equally to items sterilised in the health care facility AND to sterile items procured from commercial suppliers

    We also know that sterile items need to be stored in a designated area so that rules out storage with unsterile items.

    Sterile items can so easily be compromised if not in a DESIGNATED and restricted area
    ( so reduced traffic) with the correct ventilation and humidity etc. So as you know different storage is required for sterile items.
    Unsterile items are so often not handled with care and are easily compromised. So we dont want them stored with sterile items.

    Thanks
    Robyn Lawson
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    roblily49@gmail.com
    0408871624

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    Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.

    Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?

    Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.

    Help?

    Thanks

    Michael

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    #78509
    Marija Juraja
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    Marija Juraja

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    living through accreditation this week (my nightmare) same issues!!!

    We have scopes that are stored in a vented cupboard that have high level disinfection, yet the surveyor states we have to have them in a airdrying cupboard. The standard doesn’t state that for endoscopes, the GENCA guidelines do though (but they are a guide). We are in the start of major rebuild and in 3 years they will be in a pass through cupboard that meets all of GENCA guidelines! We test our scopes, and we also place an alcohol rinse through them before airdrying and storage hanging. We have a plan and have risk mitigated…I don’t think there is anything more we can spend our $$$ until we move.

    I can’t wait until we actually have accredited Standard 3 credentialled ICP ( who truly understand the standard and all it entails) auditing the standard… my dream as a previous president and something I did try and follow through with ACHs.

    Kind Regards

    Marija Juraja
    Nurse ConsultantCALHN Infection Prevention & Control Unit
    Division of Acute Medicine (RN, GCNS Inf Ctrl, CICP)
    m: 0410 567 385 |e:marija.juraja@sa.gov.au
    ________________________________

    Hi Michael

    The auditor is correct in that sterile storage for commercial sterile items has always been covered by ASNZS 4187 in the past but it seems to have got lost in the new 2014 edition .
    ASNZS 4187 2003 Section 9.1.1 Sterile items states Sterile items shall be stored and handled in a manner that maintains the integrity of packs and prevents contamination from any source. This requirement applies equally to items sterilised in the health care facility AND to sterile items procured from commercial suppliers

    We also know that sterile items need to be stored in a designated area so that rules out storage with unsterile items.

    Sterile items can so easily be compromised if not in a DESIGNATED and restricted area
    ( so reduced traffic) with the correct ventilation and humidity etc. So as you know different storage is required for sterile items.
    Unsterile items are so often not handled with care and are easily compromised. So we dont want them stored with sterile items.

    Thanks
    Robyn Lawson
    OR Consulting Australia
    roblily49@gmail.com
    0408871624

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    ________________________________

    Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say, no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with something non-sterile.

    Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?

    Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of these.

    Help?

    Thanks

    Michael

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    #78515
    Anonymous
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    Hi Michael
    Im not at work today so I cant forward you a copy but the SA Health
    Standard 3 Store Room audit which refers to RMD items stored outside of
    theatre actually asks
    Are RMD stored on an individual shelf and is that shelf labeled.

    Yes crazy I know haha
    Leah

    On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 at 12:33 pm, Michael Wishart wrote:

    > Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any
    > sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that
    > no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say,
    > no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with
    > something non-sterile.
    >
    >
    >
    > Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific
    > storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised
    > single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that
    > have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume
    > disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile
    > stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not
    > cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
    >
    >
    >
    > Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that
    > I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of
    > these.
    >
    >
    >
    > Help?
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Michael
    >
    >
    >
    > *Michael Wishart *| Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
    >
    >
    > St Vincents Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
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    >
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    #78517
    Andrew Ellis
    Participant

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    Andrew Ellis

    Position:
    State Coordinator, Sterilisation & Reprocessing

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    #78537
    kdme6607@gmail.com
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    Hi Michael, I have come across different interpretations of stock storage
    statements AS4187 and when we were recently audited (accreditation) that
    particular thing wasnt raised but when in discussion I raised another
    aspect of sterile storage where I wasnt clear about the intention, the
    auditors recommended contacting the Commission (email contact for the 4187
    Advisory) and asking them.
    Would be interested in talking with you about this.
    Regards
    Kathy Duggan

    On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 at 1:03 pm, Michael Wishart
    wrote:

    > Ive just had my mind blown by an auditor who tells me I cannot store any
    > sterile stock on a shelf with non-sterile stock. I reply by saying that
    > no sterile RMDs are stored on shelves with non-sterile stock, and they say,
    > no ANYTHING that comes sterile should not be on the same shelf with
    > something non-sterile.
    >
    >
    >
    > Have I missed something? I have always understand that the very specific
    > storage requirements for RMDs did not apply to most commercially sterilised
    > single use items. Sure, there are commercially sterilised disposables that
    > have very specific storage requirements, but the majority of high volume
    > disposable sterile goods can be safely stored on a shelf with non-sterile
    > stock in an appropriately air-conditioned storage room. AS4187 does not
    > cover storage of non-RMDs, correct?
    >
    >
    >
    > Can someone either tell me I am wrong, and I missed this big time, or that
    > I did not miss anything, and the auditor is incorrect. Or some variation of
    > these.
    >
    >
    >
    > Help?
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Michael
    >
    >
    >
    > *Michael Wishart *| Infection Control Coordinator, CICP-E
    >
    >
    > St Vincents Private Hospital Northside | 627 Rode Road CHERMSIDE QLD 4032
    >
    >
    >
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    >
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    >
    > *W *https://www.svphn.org.au
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > St Vincents Private Hospital Brisbane | 411 Main Street
    > KANGAROO
    > POINT QLD
    >
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